As a pastor, I often get questions from people about various things. Sometimes, I feel others might be asking the same questions, so I share these exchanges here. I’m not the Bible Answer Man, but I hope my answers are helpful.
Q: Obamacare supposedly has the chip system involved and could have prophetic significance and could be a sign of just how close the Lord’s return really is. Could you read (this link) and let me know your thoughts? (The link led to the following text which can now be found on numerous websites.)
“There’s a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won’t like.
The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.” Then on page 1004 it describes what the term “data” means in paragraph 1, section B:
14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary”
What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see…Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a “implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”
This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are “born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage” will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children’s Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.”
A: I looked at the text of the health care bill (http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/111_hr4872_reported.pdf) and it does contain the section about a “class II device that is implantable.” When you read the entire context though, right after “implantable” is “life-saving or life-supporting”. In other words, it is discussing many medical devices that are implantable. It’s about doing analysis of devices that are “life-saving or life-supporting”—not devices used for tracking people. I found a short list of Class I and Class II devices on the FDA website (http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfpcd/315.cfm) and the FDA’s definition of a Class II device: “Most medical devices are considered Class II devices. Examples of Class II devices include powered wheelchairs and some pregnancy test kits. 43% of medical devices fall under this category” (http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/ResourcesforYou/Consumers/ucm142523.htm). I also found this page (http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072141.htm) which does discuss the “implantable radiofrequency transponder system”. That technology is very real, but it’s just one type of Class II device. In other words, the text of the health care bill that supposedly is mandating that we all get a tracking device under our skin is not saying that at all—whoever originally wrote the text for the link you sent me was deliberately misrepresenting the truth! The language in the health care bill is about how one of the new government agencies created by this health care monstrosity will be doing analysis on “most medical devices”—tools used for health care. But, this transponder thing is not being mandated by the health care bill.
I’m certainly no fan of Obamacare, but this legislation has no direct connection with prophecy or the Antichrist or the mark of the beast. I found the article on the FDA’s website about “implantable radiofrequency transponders” fascinating because this kind of technology could very well be used by the Antichrist. But, we’ve known for decades that this technology was available, so it’s not a big revelation at this point.
The mark of the beast will be voluntary and people will know exactly what they’re getting—and it won’t happen until the Tribulation. Even if it was in this legislation, an implant to get health care before the Rapture is not the mark of the beast.
For now, let me recommend you avoid websites like the one your link took me to. This world is getting crazier all the time, but we’ve got to keep our heads…and do our ministry: “But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.” (2 Tim 4:5, NIV). I’m afraid reading sites like the one you sent me is going to get you sidetracked.
Let me recommend the best website out there regarding prophecy: The Pre-Trib Research Center: http://www.pre-trib.org.
And here’s a great article I hope you’ll read—it’s about the mark of the beast: http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/mark-of-beast.
Good rule of thumb: Don’t rely on newspapers for your eschatology.
I don’t think it’s THE chip because the bible says we won’t be able to BUY or SELL unless we have the mark.
u wanna bet your soul on it
@john… he probably already sold his soul.
I feel otherwise.
Please…..read my blog. Also, check out the post: ‘Real Tv Ad’…..you may change your mind.
This “could” be the begining of that system.
Look at how many folks have a Tatoo! Not reguarding the word of the Lord. We’ve all gone the way of Cain IMO
(Lev 19:28 NRSV) You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
As a Minister of the Gospel, I read the article on “The Mark of The Beast” with interest. While some good points were made, it missed its “mark” so to speak. You must determine WHO the “Beast of Revelation” is FIRST, as revealed in the 7th chapter of Daniel and again in the book of Revelation. It is then fairly simple to determine it’s “Mark” and the Bible makes it abundantly clear in over 188 texts.
Feel free to email me at 3angelsmessage@inbox.com if you would like me to send you information on the “Beast of Revelation” and it’s “Mark”!!
These are crazy scary times we’re living in. It won’t be long now…. and Jesus will step out on a cloud to claim his children, and the dead in Christ shall rise to meet him in the air.
well, we won’t be able to get the public health care without it…thats a good start. And if you think the government won’t use this to their advantage, think again. Definitely “End Times” stuff people! Pay attention!
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Thanks Shaun, I know what you are saying is correct but I have to admit when I first read it, I was caught off guard. I began to wonder about it. Thanks for bringing me back to my senses.
I have a healthcare summary on my blog; I politely disagree pastor. Please, visit my blog you will find numerous postings about this exact thing. You will also find ‘Real Tv Ad’; a real commerical for the chip implant.
Pastor, you said :”The mark of the beast will be voluntary and people will know exactly what they’re getting—and it won’t happen until the Tribulation. Even if it was in this legislation, an implant to get health care before the Rapture is not the mark of the beast.”
Its very hard to say this for sure. No one knows for sure if there is going to be a pre trib rapture and mid trib rapture or a post trib rapture. Since there are so many different views out there on what will exactly happen during the end times, to make this statement is truly assuming there is a pre trib rapture.
There are too many different views on this, and it is all hypothesis or there would be a “matter of fact” belief on it. Jesus told us these things to prepare us, not to try and figure out if He is coming back first or after or whatever….it is all speculation and the distortion of passages in the Book of Revelation to fit our own ideology.
I am a Born Again Christian, and I try not to succumb to the thoughts on Revelation. Many a brilliant mind has speculated what will happen, but no one knows for sure, except the Father……
Also, im not sue the mark will be voluntary. Of course we will have a choice whether we want to accept fhe mark or die…..so in that aspect I think it may be. However, I do believe the Beast will force people to get it or suffer the consequences…..
Look around at what is happening to our family, friends, and society in general. Families are falling apart, friends are few, the general public has no respect for others, and/or no respect for others. Some Christians(at least they claim to be) Don’t follow God’s guide lines for settleling disagreements. Believe what someone says (without any proof) and doesn’t bother to get to know the other people involved or even get the other side. Everyone waants money but doesn’t want to earn it. This country is giving handouts to a many that deserve it. Grant to noncitizens. When are we going to wake up. We have lost out country, IS IT TOO LATE. I for one am tired, don’t know what to do, when or how. It does not look good!!!
Look around to what is happening to our famlies, friends, and society in general. No concern, respect, or even love for our fellow man. Families are falling apart, friends are few, and some people that claim to be christians only pick and choose the parts they like to live by discarding many guidelines that the Bible outlines in details. Out government is giving handouts to many that do not deserve it, and/or did not earn it . Taking away from those that have worked hard. for our benefits only to have then decreased so thay can be given to the others. WAKE UP AMERICA!! I’m scared, IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD!!! IS IT TOO LATE!!!What can we do??
Hi Jen, no it is not too late! If you would like more information on the Mark of The Beast from a biblical perspective, drop me a note at 3angelsmessage@inbox.com Thanks al
Hi there all,
Sorry to burst any bubbles, but Shaun, your advice is not only potentially wrong, but your end point could even lead people astray.
I don’t want to use this thread to argue ‘pre-trib rapture’ vs a rapture represented by the great Harvest in Revelation 14.
BUT…at best, no one can be absolutely certain that the rapture will take place before the Antichrist is revealed.
In fact, after many years of studying Scripture (and being a pentecostal pastor and bible college graduate), I must say the Bible has far more evidence that suggests we will be around for at least a part of the great tribulation than it does to suggest we will be removed first.
Notwithstanding, the fact that you end your post with “anything before the rapture cannot be the mark of the beast!” (or words to that effect) chills me to the core.
So, based on an interpretation of Scripture that was not in existence until the late 1800′s (and was never, ever espoused anywhere in church history prior to that), we are telling people that they can receive “a mark on their body” imposed by the government, because it “can’t be the mark fo the beast”?
WOW, that is a HUGE stretch…!!
Maybe you are right about the Rapture taking place first (in fact, I hope you are…). But for me, I will never, ever receive any sort of device or mark in or on my body. And particularly if a government insists, in order to receive health-care or anything else for that matter.
And, folks, THAT is the ONLY way to ensure you are safe. Do we really think the Devil, after 6,000 or so years of practice at deception, will do this stuff in a way that we will all recognise??? He is THE MASTER of deception, and we have been warned.
For me, if the ‘chip’ remains optional then I can get by without it. But if I cannot receive medical care without it, what sort of ‘optional’ is that in reality? Instead, that would fit perfectly with the devils way of bringing something to us before we even recognise it.
So Shaun, be very wary what you approve, because you just might possibly be leading people to eternal damnation. At the very least, err on the side of caution. For this sounds ominously close to my reading of Revelation…
The Rev
To the Rev,
As an avid studier of eschatology for past 20 years, a pastor and a church history buff (am I qualified to make an opinion?), I’d like to offer one simple suggestion: Please read the Scriptures when you’re talking about the mark of the beast. The context clearly dictates that those who receive the mark are the ones who worship him voluntarily!! They willingly make their allegiance to the beast.
Secondly, in regards to pre-trib notion that it wasn’t even taught until 1800′s, it’s also historically not correct. The idea that pre-trib teaching started from a vision and and a zealous pastor does not coincide with actual historicity. Furthermore, if you read the NT and early church fathers, the idea of immanency is rampant, as though Jesus was coming to back to take us home. And lastly, some modern archaeologists discovered inscriptions on tombstones of early believers under the Roman rule…and guess what they discovered? Carved in stone…rapture before tribulation!
I am not here to argue, but when one makes assertions on certain ideas of belief systems, he or she should have all the facts checked. More importantly, the Bible has to be the basis for our conclusions or even an opinion. One thing is for sure…He is coming back real soon! If you want to stay here for the part of the tribulation, you could, but I believe I will be in heaven, enjoying the marriage of the Lamb. God bless!!
Everything is to be introduced gradually. Prisons are constructed one brick at a time. Carrots and sticks will be used to get people to take a chip implant, starting with the medical system. And if you don’t want a chip, “is it because you’ve got something to hide?” In due course, people will find they can’t buy food easily without one of these, or get on an airplane, or …. And then there will still be people even then saying its got nothing to do with the end times.
Shaun, I must confess that I am very disappointed in your lack of integrity.
I posted a forthright, yet very reasonable reply disagreeing with you Shaun, and now come back to find that you have removed my post.
My post had no bad language, no insults, nothing in any way offensive, yet because I presented a different view to your own, you feel that it is appropriate to remove my post…?!?!
If you feel free to post your opinions on the internet and ask for others’ views, don’t resort to that age-old tactic of insecure dictators – censorship…!!
Oh well, with my initial reply, I discharged my duty before God to warn all the good people here of the wrong contained in the original post. If you would like to see my comments again, feel free to email me at dkeane@hope.nsw.edu.au and I will be happy to tell you personally – it would seem that only those who agree with Shaun have the right to speak on this site.
Well, there you go, I have gone and made a fool of myself…!!
When I refreshed my computer, I saw that my original reply was in fact still there. I assumed that it had been removed by the moderator, and I responded a little immaturely, I am afraid.
Shaun, I apologise for my comments in the previous post – I was wrong to assume you had removed my post.
Oh well, good to see that both sides of this one are up there for people to read and decide.
Again, sorry for my 2nd post accusing Shaun of removing my 1st post. I hope you all have a wonderful day, and that these last 2 messages don’t take away from the good feedback that this topic has generated.
God bless you all.
Dave
With the chip you will not be able to buy or sell without it. It will handle medical records and all of your financial dealings, everything. How do you think the hospitals will be guarantied payment. It will be directly taken from your bank account with the information on your chip. Why do you think they are taking over all the TV and other frequencies. according to other blogs I have seen, They need it so the 24 now orbiting satlelites can track all of us 24 hours a day. That is the only way they can get enough frequency band width to do it.
Quick response to those who disagreed with or are “chilled to the core” by my post.
First, people will go to hell because they reject the free gift of salvation in Christ. Period. Ask yourself what the significance is of the word “worship” in Revelation 13:15 and 20:4. Please read the article I referenced above.
Second, the article was not written to defend the pre-trib rapture (I refer you again to http://www.pre-trib.org for numerous excellent articles making that defense), but simply to say that Obamacare does NOT mandate the implementation of the “implantable radiofrequency transponder system”. That may be mandated by later legislation, but it is dishonest to say that this one does.
Third, please read carefully. What do you think I “approved”? I approved nothing but truth. I loathe Obamacare. I certainly don’t approve of the use of the “implantable radiofrequency transponder system”. The only thing anyone could “approve” that would “lead people to eternal damnation” is rejection of Jesus Christ. Did you somehow read that into my post? What did I approve? I approved of truth. The truth is that Obamacare does NOT mandate implants. To throw around words like “leading people to eternal damnation” is dishonest, ignorant and foolish. What sort of a gospel do you believe?
Do we love the truth or not? Every time one of you wrongly accuses someone of being the anti-christ or of legislating the mark of the beast, you make all Christians look like fanatics who are unable to read something in context without flying off the handle. When the anti-christ really comes along and you say, “There he is!” no one will believe you because you’ve cried “wolf” so many times before.
Please “keep your heads”!
how much money were you paid to write this sack of lies? hmm, sounds to me like a wolf in sheep clothing. watch out people this guy would probably tell you the NWO isnt real, aswell.
NWO is real! It’s coming because the Bible talks about it! It’s just the all the conspiracies that many people espouse are astounding. I am almost sure that many people got their information from the zeitgeist movie even though the crux of the entire movie is that Christianity is false and that everything we believe is a lie…
It is the pitfall of this information age, where anyone can say anything, and there will be people who will believe everything without checking the validity of the sources. Once again, we do not need to “find out” about every aspect of NWO; we just need to be awakened and preach the Word until His coming.
Blessings.
Shaun, my comments were a response to one of your final statements.
You stated, “Even if it was in this legislation, an implant to get health care before the Rapture is not the mark of the beast.”
This is what chills me to the core. To make a declaration that something “is not” the mark of the beast is where your comments become dangerous, in my view.
I am not suggesting that you agree with Obamacare, or even the implantable chip, but that you feel free to declare that something is “not” the mark simply because Christians have not yet been raptured.
I am certainly keeping my head, but I felt strongly enough abotu your comment that I had to warn people that your statement may indeed be wrong.
I for one am far from convinced that Christians will be removed from this earth before the events of Revelation take place, and in particular I believe that Revelation 14 (the great harvest) is the most likely place in which the Rapture will occur.
In light of that, anyone who says that there will be no “mark of the beast” while Christians are still on earth is making a very dangerous statement. For what if you are wrong about the Rapture…?
And then believers see your comments as some sort of ‘license’ to take a mark upon their bodies, using the assumption that it can’t be ‘the mark’ because we have not yet been raptured?
That is why I made my strong comments.
I tend to agree with you, that this particular legislation is probably not the full-blown “mark of the beast”. However it is only a hop, skip and a jump away from it.
In fact, I believe given current world events that Jesus may well return within the next few years, and that the Antichrist will almost certainly be revealed in the very near future.
So while I whole-heartedly agree with your comment, that we should all “keep our heads”, I totally disagree with you that the mark of the beast, and/or the Antichrist “will not” appear until Christians are raptured.
And I feel my comments in that regard are totally level-headed and relevant.
I would be more than happy to discuss the Rapture at more length here or elsewhere if you would like to, to explain just why I believe the things I do, but I didn’t assume you would want to have that conversation here and I therefore didn’t add my reasons to my post.
I merely wanted to suggest to those reading the post that these things may very well happen whilst us Christians are still here on earth.
Have a great night.
The Rev.
“Every time one of you wrongly accuses someone of being the anti-christ or of legislating the mark of the beast, you make all Christians look like fanatics who are unable to read something in context without flying off the handle.”
Amen!
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.
Titus 2:11-15